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Monday 28 February 2011

Fostering couple lose out

I think it's only right and proper to begin in the here and now.

The day I decided to start this blog, 28th February 2011, it was announced that a Christian couple, Eunice and Owen Johns, have lost their case against Derby City Council over their wish to foster children.

Back in October the CLC reported that a devout Christian couple had been banned by their local authority, Derby City Council, from fostering children due to their 'sincerely held religious belief' that homosexuality is 'unacceptable'.
In 2007 Derby City Council withdrew the Johns' application to be foster parents because of their Christian, biblical views on marriage and the family. link
The couple had previously fostered nearly 20 children over the years but in 2007 their application was rejected. I can't find details as to how or why the council found out about the couple's deeply held religious convictions that means they think homosexuality is evil incarnate (am I assuming too much?) except for what is reported in the Judgment which can be found here. Point 6 describes the John's discussion with a social worker. I shall discuss the Judgment later on.

After they had their application turned down the Johns either took their plight to the CLC or were contacted by them. No doubt the CLC leapt with glee upon this obvious case of the state discriminating against a harmless old couple of bigots Christians and undertook to take the case to the High Court. Quite obviously this was a case of the Johns' rights being impinged, their religious rights. Right?

Wrong.

Originally this post was to contain a lengthy rant as to how the Johns are not being discriminated against by having their religious convictions taking a back seat to others' basic rights. However I decided to split the post so that this deals specifically with the case and ruling rather than go into why these people are so wrong. Instead it can be read here, if you're interested.

The Judgment, located here, contains a number of interesting points that are not mentioned in the numerous newspaper articles I've read, nor in the CLC article lamenting their loss.

Point 6 in particular caught my eye:
... when asked if...they would be able to support a young person who, for example was confused about their sexuality, the answer was in the negative.
So this loving, caring, oh-so-Christian couple who are instructed by their god to love everyone no matter what, wouldn't be able to support a gay youth struggling with their sexuality. And these people don't understand why the High Court deemed them unfit to foster any more children? She did back track on this in a later interview, however Mr Johns seemed to be of the opinion that such a child should be 'gently turned around'.

With regards their visit to a gay relative in San Francisco, which was mentioned in the Daily Mail:
She added that the couple have visited her nephew, who is gay, and his partner in San Francisco. link
The Judgment contains this:
She commented that she did not like it [San Francisco] and felt uncomfortable while she was there.
How very interesting. I wonder why that information was left out of the various pro-Johns reports? Also left out is the fact that Mrs Johns wouldn't feel able to take a child to a mosque. Just saying.

Something glaringly obvious from the details of the Johns' application is the contradictions in how they planned on raising any children placed with them:
... at a much earlier stage in the process Mrs Johns had assured a social worker that she would never seek to impose her belief system on a child...
and
.... Mrs Johns stated she felt she could not give up going to church which she attends twice on Sundays and was doubtful about alternating with her husband if she could not take a child with her. Her husband agreed ...
But of course, forcing a child to attend church twice on a Sunday isn't imposing a belief system at all.

It is interesting to note that the Johns held the opinion that they were being discriminated against for their religion from the offset:
She felt that her beliefs would not affect how she was able to care for a young person, and stated that we were really saying that they could not be foster-carers because they are Christians.
From this point the Johns had made up their mind that their application was being refused because they were Christians, rather than because their were homophobic. They appear to have gone to their press with their story, forcing the Council to reiterate that the issue was due to their homophobic views rather than their religion.

The CLC article announcing the terrible news that the Johns had lost is peppered with infuriating half truths and skewed opinion.
...the High Court has suggested that... homosexual ‘rights’ trump freedom of conscience in the UK.
By now it should be fairly obvious as to my opinion of the above. "Conscience" - The last hold-out for those who have no decent argument against the terrible reality of equality.
...the judgment strongly affirms homosexual rights over freedom of conscience...
Again - They have the right to their conscience, but they do not get to skew a child's attitude by expression those views in an authoritative manner i.e. as foster parents.
This is incredible and very disingenuous as the Johns moral views cannot be separated from their religious beliefs.
Yes. They. Can. To imply that there is even ONE Christian who does not pick and choose which bits of the Bible they want apply to their own life is laughable. I posit that no two Christians live in exactly the same way or believe in exactly the same god.
There now appears to be nothing to stop the increasing bar on Christians who wish to adopt or foster children but who are not willing to compromise their beliefs by promoting the practise of homosexuality to small children.
Firstly: Good. I hope this leads to a decrease in children who are forced to listen to bigotry.
Secondly: This demonstrates the point I made in the other post. This phrase is particularly loathsome: "...promoting the practise of homosexuality..."

The CLC would have you believe that children are being told they have to be gay. This is NOT the case, it never has been and it never will be. To suggest otherwise is an obvious ploy and is utterly contemptible. It forces us to ask: Why do people and organisations like the CLC need to lie in order to further their aims?

The Johns case is just another in a long line of CLC failures. I would like to think that very few people are concerned with the fact that religious bigotry failed to gain any headway in the High Court, but there are enough people upset by the ruling that lead me to believe that more people need to know and understand the truth of the matter, particularly when many media outlets take a sympathetic stance on 'sincerely held' religious convictions.

As such, I shall continue to document the CLC's campaign of intolerance.

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And I think it's worth noting, should anyone supportive of the CLC reads this post, I listened to Wham! while I wrote the above. Ha.

Why is this here?

Greetings, and welcome the Carry-on Losing Cases blog: so named because whenever the Christian Legal Centre (CLC) is mentioned in the press, it will invariably be a story about how a case has been brought by them and subsequently lost. C'est la vie.

For those of you familiar with the Christian Legal Centre and are not raving religious lunatics, you'll likely know very well by now that they have a habit of losing cases and for very good reasons - most of which will be detailed in this blog.

For those of you who are not familiar with the Christian Legal Centre I'll sum up their primary aim in this world: "To force people to tolerate, live under and in accordance with the wishes of a select group of religious citizens: Us."

The Christian Legal Centre, hereafter referred to as the CLC unless I'm making a point, exists for (some would say) very fundamental reasons:

... to promote Christian Truth in the public arena and to protect the freedom of Bible believing Christians to speak the truth on matters such as life, marriage and the family, and to live their lives in accordance with their Christian beliefs. link

As will become perfectly clear to any half interested reader, the wish by those of the CLC ilk to "live their lives in accordance with their Christian beliefs" generally extends to the desire for those around them to abide by those beliefs and practices also. Obviously this presents problems, but in these increasingly secular times those problems are mainly for the CLC. Even after a number of years bringing numerous failed cases to court, lost appeals and multiple public humiliations, the CLC still doesn't seem to have got that message.

To promote and protect the freedoms of Bible believing Christians in the United Kingdom; to promote religious freedom as a fundamental right by means of legal action and public promotion. link

It is probably not even worth noting that the "religious freedom" mentioned here is the freedom for the Christians concerned to practice their religious beliefs without hindrance from the state, particularly when it comes to equality for homosexuals and the like. Much, much more on that later.


The CLC is not just concerned with legal cases brought by upset and 'wronged' Christians who are not getting their own way when it comes to feeling that they have a right to prothletise or direct how others live even when it contradicts the law: They also lobby to see their own goals met and campaign against such hideous potential laws as the Human Fertilisation and Embryo Bill. They also have certain views on abortion, blasphemy, assisted suicide, working practices, Islam, 'bioethics', fostering/adoption and 'Sexual Orientation' (THE GAYS!). Again, more on that later.

Mission (what we will do)
To establish an organisation dedicated to facilitating the running of cases and lobbying the legislature on Christian Legal freedoms. The organisation will carry out research into legal issues affecting Christians and will assist in identifying and preparing litigation on behalf of Christian freedoms in the United Kingdom.
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This blog aims to document the activities of the CLC, in particular it shall focus on the CLC's regular failures when it comes to legal cases for those who attempt to use their religion (guess which one?) in attempts to defend their own actions or those taken against them.

The intention is to detail their history and failed cases, as well as updating when new cases are brought and of course outlining why they failed as and when they inevitably do (I'm just going on past events). I have referenced and listed their failed cases elsewhere a number of times, but realised that it would make life far easier and more amusing to see their dismal failures stacked up in one place.

To be fair I will of course document their wins should such occurrences ever actually take place. So far I know of one.

I hope this blog is informative and as amusing as it is possible to be when dealing with the mentality and attitude of those who run the CLC and those who see fit to use such an organisation. People like the lady shown on the right.

Before anybody accuses me of choosing a less than savoury photograph of the CLC Director (and barrister-lest-we-forget) Andrea Minichiello Williams, let me point out that the first image on a google search for her name produces this same photo from churchtimes.co.uk. So there.

Suing for Yahweh. Serious business.

As well as the CLC, Ms Williams is also co-founder of Christian Concern For Our Nation, a group that seeks to "introduce a Christian voice into Law, the media and the government." Lovely.

I plan on doing a post or two on Ms Williams, of course, but will leave this first post noting this (just for giggles):

Andrea continues to focus on policy matters and Christian Interest cases, specifically freedom for Christians to speak truth in the public sphere, and to live according to biblical standards. link

Whenever I see such sentiment a smile comes to my face as I recall a special passage from the New Testament:

A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. - 1 Tim 2:11-12

Oh but of course, that's a mistranslation and not meant to be taken literally at all.

Thank you and good night.